When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. Then there's the fact that finding new tricks is getting harder and harder. I keep hearing such dismissive wisecracks, but I can't actually find any _scientist_ who said that, nor any actual law of physics from back then that said so. Jaywalking being illegal. Why to Colonize Space? How about being suprised by the lack of whorehouses and streetwalkers? In fact, too much of a purging of genetic diversity, by excessive disappearance of "weak" genes, may weaken the species' chances of survival in the case of a change of environment. Fast food. Practiced in various tribes and in Muslim countries, and places where men and women had more equal rights. Earth has already exceed is' capacity limit for humans. T Shirts. The suggestion that humans will soon set up bustling, long-lasting colonies on Mars is something many of us take for granted. We are now the only species on the planet that can survive organ transplants, travel at hundreds of miles per hour, walk on the moon, and communicate instantly from opposite sides of the planet. I considered this when I chose the example. Copyright © 2021 SlashdotMedia. What you needed to survive is available, get to work. Dino want a cracker!" Yeah, but wasn't it pretty well accepted belief back then that you could never break the sound barrier? Madonna. I'll be seeing you at 12:00pm (PST) on June 17th 2107, don't be late. We are not responsible for them in any way. He sounds like one of the mundane SF proponents. I think he would freak out, simply because it's too much change in a short time. Yes. Of course, if you acquire such technology the story changes completely, but the things you describe are highly speculative, and even if we could create a wormhole, riding it and getting out in one piece is still not guaranteed. The A.V. The colony can be in space or any planets or any moons. It was more a problem for upper-class ind. Using "the high frontier" and appeals to settler gumption and heroic individualism isn't the right paradigm; if it's going to happen we need to abandon certain cherished illusions (dwelt on at length) and start doing some hard thinking about what we really want. Disposable watches, calculators. I'm sure most readers of this blog have stumbled upon Charlie Stross's recent post, The High Frontier, Redux, in which he argues that space colonization is not in our future (Charlie's post was BoingBoing'd and Slashdotted and of this writing has over 452 comments! When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong. As Xenu proved by colonizing this planet, space travel already exists. Black and latino movie stars being the big box office draws, and a black woman - Oprah - being the #1 entertainer. It's much less likely that an alien microbe will affect us in any way than it is that we'll be able to step out of our space ship and eat the local fruit. I'm not sure i agree with you about the technological wonders of 2007. Or 10,000? Most predicitons of the FUTURE in the case of fiction are driven by the dramatic needs of the story. Colonizing the galaxy is something that will take millions of years. Once the factories are running, send the information for whatever it is we want to travel at light speed and let them assemble it, whether it's the newest robot model or schematics for a reconstructed human. Now what if some species has sent us a container of bios mass...and it just hasn't arrived yet? A self-replicating assembly like DNA is an end-in-itself. "You can't hit your wife." October 14, 2019. Space colonies could be the answer to this problem, if we can solve the medical problems posed by microgravity (also called weightlessness) and the high levels of radiation to which the astronauts would be exposed after leaving the protection of the Earth's atmosphere. Who says we have to send humans? The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. The near-death of pencils and erasors. Going to the moon is a very small proposition in scale that even the nearest star. The "weak" can only be identified in retrospect; they turned out not to be adapted for. Is it possible that we develop some kind of nuclear fusion engine? Unfortunately, the pressure rather than the ice crystals will kill a human being at that type of pressure. Given enough time and tech, I suspect that we won't even need terrestrial extra-solar planets in order to move beyond our own solar system. Ultimately, our biology is not designed for extraterrestrial environments, making colonization impractical or maybe even impossible. Enthusiasm does not change reality. Sustaining life beyond Earth either on space stations or on other planets will require a clear understanding of how the space environment affects key phases of mammalian reproduction.". AIDS is a relative benign fatal affliction. [...] To even say it is impossible or requires a 'magic wand' is absurd. Plumbing and sewers go back to the oldest cities. "You can't hit your kid." No new comments can be posted. Most native North American Indians were not shot or killed, they died of European diseases....and many European ships never made it home for the same reason. Inventions needed for space colonization that will take us to the stars. Well, you get close to c, but never actually get there. Obivious, disgusting disease was everywhere. One small step for man, one giant stumble for mankind. This is pretty new. Space is pretty and wondrous, but also dangerous and pointless, and at best, a playhouse for the rich. In 1870, people would say we could not get to the moon because horses would not survive in the vacuum of space. Furthermore, let me throw some more cold water on your enthusiasm by saying: unfortunately a lot of the things we discovered lately was a bit more restrictive than before. "God is dead." VCR. And the sensors are frying in high energy x-rays. He states that to get a Mercury Capsule sized vessel to 0.1c takes about the energy consumption of the planet for 5 days. Permanent press fabrics. Even if the new theory said you start to get a discount from 99% of the speed of light upwards, getting to 99% of the speed of light would still pretty much go by the existing mechanics, or close enough that the difference is well in the decimals. I'd say wait on judging such a thing to be impossible until a well-established Grand Unified Theory comes together. It's a pretty quick job to read a history book, at least faster than waiting for more history to happen. Playboy centerfolds. Tsiolkovsky and science fiction writers from Jules Verne forward have notably dreamed of planetary escape and the expansion of Homo sapiens to outer space … In 1870, people would say we could not get to the moon because horses would not survive in the vacuum of space. Will we make it to outside the Solar System? USB fobs with the space for 1000 copies of The Bible. theres an obvious solution to all this.. The requirements to colonize other worlds are prohibitive for the time being, I don't think anyone denies that. Even if we and it are descended from the same pangenic life spores, we would have evolutionarily diverged a long, long time ago. A non-trivial task. They argue that those who think that we can conquer Mars in the next few decades are suffering from too much hubris and that like Icarus of mythological fame, if we stretch our technology too far, too soon, we risk crashing back to Earth. Also, ask yourself, what have we done in the last minute, compared to the two before that? Well it may be physically impossible but also essential for our survival. Not from their sting or bite, but from the micro-organisms mankind has never seen before. Well, for starters, the title is hardly correct. It was also considered a medicine and health promoter in certain circles. Routine heart transplants. Colonization of Mars is an impossible dream. I believe in the saying that when someone says something is 'impossible', they are usually wrong. Rap music. — , we probably can affect the future course of space colonization relatively easy today. It grows a human in order to accomplish this end, and that makes things more complicated, but from the point of view of the DNA, the imperative is inherent in its structure. "Why Don't We Have" is a PopMech series explaining just why some of the technologies promised by science fiction have yet to become fact. Jeans, capri pants and slacks for women. Alchemy included a lot of wasted effort. What we have here and now is that according to science as we know it, it's outright impossible to get above the speed of light, and there's a _lot_ of experimental confirmation for those principles of relativity. Arthur C. Clarke had moonbases on the moon in 1999 because he wanted his readers to feel like they could relate in human terms with the characters and still put the TMA-1 far enough away from Earth so that it's "recent discovery" is believable in context. Not for robots, and not for AI. C'mon - the guy had a cold and high temperature.. space colonization is impossible just like.... One Aztec elder said to the assembled. When you get there your not just going to go into a field and pick some crops for food... the local bugs will kill you. Divorce on demand. Between melting the polar ice caps, slowly creating an atmosphere, and then engineering the … China being the biggest exporter of consumer goods. 100 years is nothing on a cosmic scale. Obviously such a plan is so far beyond our scope at the moment that it's laughable. Remote controls of all sorts. Greek rulers worried about it all the time. Don't let typical human apathy take hold of that which is grand. Surgery as fashion statement. Cos just over the last 10,000 years we've evolved to be able to metabolise cow milk, over the last 100,000 or so we've evolved white skins in cool regions to improve production of vitamin D, our limbs have shortened in proportion to the rest of the body and become more muscular to aid with heat retention etc etc etc etc etc. Experts have recently come forward to explain just why we’re going to be remaining on Earth for the duration of our lives. But you find a lot of non-violent, pacifist religions all throught history and the world. Furthermore, even though most engineers knew differently, they still had uncertainty in just how much the drag would increase in the transonic regime, and given the low thrust levels of airplane powerplants at that time, the speed of sound certainly loomed as a tremendous mountain to climb. actually, it will only require one.. a method for freezing water that doesn't cause it to expand. While true, he did accurately cover the issues. Women have their breasts exposed! I really wish they hadn't brought out those "designer dinos" last year. "Dino want a cracker! The space agency is currently developing a roadmap that will send astronauts to visit a captured asteroid in lunar orbit space by 2025, then get people to the Red Planet in the 2030s. I'm afraid this notion of "fewer humans on earth" is fundamentally nonsense. The idea of terraforming Mars – aka "Earth's Twin" – is a fascinating idea. In 1887, he presented a paper to the Academy of Sciences in Vienna where he showed a photograph of a bullet moving at supersonic speeds. You spend a year running up to c, then flip tail-to-fore and dece. As we learn more about space and the difficulties of living there, we may be slowly on our way to colonizing it. All of this we gained in the last four minutes of our first day of existence as humans. OriginalArlen writes "The science fiction writer Charlie Stross has written an excellent and comprehensive explanation of why, thousands of SF books, movies, and games notwithstanding, human colonization of other star systems is impossible.Although interstellar colonization seems common-sensical to many, Charlie makes a clear-headed and unarguable case, so far as I can see, that it ain't … Nylons. Moreover, Einstein claimed the speed of light is a constant, and as IBM's experiments earlier this year have proven, the speed of light is actually a variable. Just consider how much science and technology has changed in the last 100 years - can you possibly imagine what will be possible 100 years from now, much less draw conclusions about feasibility? According to Michel Mayor, a Swiss astronomer, humanity will never be able to leave the Solar System and colonize other planets belonging to different galaxies. "You can't beat your animals.". One could argue that "dimensional hopping" or "worm holes" fall under the magical wand category. Also, as for the people that stay behind to live on Earth, the whole point of space colonization is to spread out the population of the human race. Tofu. Hmmm... how about the technology we have for seeing and manipulating single atoms? Sending maybe a dozen nanobots for redundancy would work just fine. At speed c minus a whisker of your choice, the stars fore shift violet and the field of view distorts to a point -- the stars aft likewise shift red and distort to a point. And that's a heck of a gigantic, humongous and monumental amount of energy to get there. Do you want to ship a "bag of meat" to the next star, or just the information that makes you, "you"? And as soon as I settle the rebellion on the outlying planets in the Sprouticus system I will be bringing my Imperial Battle Fleet to explain the situation to Mr Stross. Music is nothing new. No spitting on the sidewalk. Microwave cooking. Well, the thing is, Newton's laws of motion still apply within the domain they were created for. "The Joy of Sex" This guy [goatsc.cz]. Misleading Virus Video, Pushed By the Trumps, Spreads Online, He Called it a 'Scamdemic' - Then Saw His Family Getting Sick, 'No Clear Evidence' Hydroxychloroquine Works Against COVID-19, Trump Declares National Emergency To Speed Coronavirus Response, Coronavirus: Trump Suspends Travel From Europe To US. The leading space powers unanimously declare the necessity of landing on the moon and building their bases there. T here are lots of reasons why colonizing space seems compelling. who says we have to arrive at our detination in our current biological contruct ? ↩︎. In the olden says, you would find people with open sores dying in the streets. Quite frankly I agree, but I want to see a human around at that very last moment, before that singularity crunches or the last hydrogen fuel source is exhausted, fighting it right up to the bitter end. Samizdat. To the best of my knowledge, they didn't actually have any such law at any point. BIG offense in oral cultures. -FL -Who keeps leaving these circles in my durn field?! Then we started figuring out that they aren't exactly accurate in some scenarios. If man were to populate a planet, assuming we solve a lot of the logistical problems, we would need to setup a hermetically sealed station for many years of operation, likely the lifetime of it's initial occupants. Which makes me wonder, what we have sent already out there, is it biologically safe inside and out? However convenient it may be to picture whatever biological facts as an "imperative," you still can't derive an ought from an is. White people have been freak out by blacks with drums (i.e. Stop wishfully thinking that science justifies your sick cosmological fantasies, and engage biology seriously if you do so. Yet a short hundred years later, man was walking on the moon. OK, sounds about right. Hereticism and atheism is nothing new. Parking restrictions. You would agree that the center of Antarctica in winter is cold, not the best of places to set … All Rights Reserved. Here's just a few: I wonder if that's really true. And then there's the matter of navigating when you can't see out. This discussion has been archived. E.g., you wouldn't accelerate a zeppelin (and we still don't) to such speeds because of the drag, and even by the end of WW2 we needed to redesign wings and engines for that. I’m sure he has his motives. Image of mouse fetuses from Japanese study on the effects of low gravity on mammalian pregnancy. Club Deadspin I want it never to be said that we didn't fight for life and living, right up until the end. The principle of no privileged reference frame means that these are identical statements. The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, David Bowie. Permanent colonists might weaken so much that they will be unable to safety return to the stronger gravity of Earth, and other unforeseen consequences might arise. But we wont have our bodies. was not that we can't colonize space, but more that the classic SF view of people setting up space stations orbiting the sun, domed or underground colonies on the Moon and other planets, and space freighters setting up some sort of interplanetary trade (space pirates optional), much less interstellar freighters shipping people and goods between star systems ain't gonna happen barring a miracle that breaks the laws of physics as we know them. Also, if you can control a black hole, there are much cooler things you can do, such as time travel [sussex.ac.uk]. Indians in the jungle are running around naked! Mickey Rooney and Liz Taylor (8 marriages each). When they arrive at a new system the use the carbon there to reproduce. Soon after airplanes took off, space flight advanced to leave Earth's orbit, carrying people (and likely other organisms) beyond our gaseous atmosphere. c is still a constant as far as we can tell--the fact that light doesn't always travel at c in specific circumstances is useful information that in no way disproves Einstein's theories. (and the yield estimate he links to has to be way off)Mp>My point is that Magic Wands are the safe bet here. At a max speed of around 17,000 mph would take existing space shuttles 165,000 years to … Which will, I hope, begin to highlight the problems I face in trying to write believable science fiction about space colonization. Credit cards. Following the above definition, space law is an important aspect of space governance, but the latter is broader in scope. Congratulations, you just proved that interstellar travel isn't currently possible. Colorful decorations that were thrown out and flowers that wilted for days-long religious ceremonies are old practices. Who knows what will be invented and discovered in the next two or three hundred years? I'll leave the question of whether things like generation ships can work from a social standpoint to others more qualified, but I'm confident they can *eventually* work from a technical one. Now we kno. Who doesn't make fun of their boss or political leader? Create your own unique website with customizable templates. The possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3720 to 1. (Yeah, and 30mph was considered moving so fast, no one could _breathe_ at that speed, until someone figured out the windshield.). As far as "sound scientific principles"....remember Newtons laws of motion? Other people always dress weird. Tanning booths. It already exists. The next morning, the leading British newspapers were misrepresenting Hilton's comment by referring to "the sound barrier. There are a limited number of books and scientific papers on the topic and the core questions are generally not regarded as resolved, but the people who seem most informed about the issue generally believe that space colonization will eventually be possible. Information can travel at light speed, so there's no need to pack humans into heavy life support systems when you can just ship a trillion tiny nanoassembly factories out at 50% light speed and let statistics handle the reassembly at the other end of the trip. Even Arthur C Clarke though we would have moonbases in 1999. 40 years ago fantastic search engines that can basically answer any question you ask would have been considered impossible. I didn't read TFA, but (from the summary): The Singularity will hit us before any of the problems he describes would become tractable. 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